Dateline Titanic (1982)   16 comments

Posted July 8, 2023 by Jason Dyer in Interactive Fiction, Video Games

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  1. It is useful that you didn’t abandon the game early on as nine tenths of it seems to be below the water.

  2. “ One passenger is described as a “naked lady” and has her toe stuck in a drain hole in the tub.” — I remember this exact plot from the show Emergency! when I was a kid (70s). Our hero EMTs are called to the scene and comic awkwardness ensues. (It’s a pretty lady in her twenties of course.) IMDb tells me that aired in 74. Guessing the author got the idea from that.

    But googling it, I see lady-with-stuck-toe was used in Love American Style as well. That show went off the air in 74.

    There is also at least one tv commercial that treats it like a cliché, so maybe it’s an old idea.

    I don’t know why it seemed so important to share this info with you. :-)

    • I think the “original” lady-with-toe-stuck-in-bath scene came from The Dick Van Dyke show, which was considered incredibly salacious at the time (For the sake of propriety, the bathroom lacks a commode, though the existence of such things had been established a few years earlier in Leave it to Beaver)

      • That was the first thing I thought of, too. When I was being indoctrinated with every piece of Dick Van Dyke Show trivia as a child, I was told that THEY were riffing on a scene from the 1955 movie The Seven Year Itch. (The same film that gave us the famous photo of Marilyn Monroe with her dress being blown up by a draft.) And according to Wikipedia, the movie was adapting a 1952 play.

        So it seems this concept was floating around the media subconscious for a few decades in the mid 20th century. To the point that in the early 2000s, iCarly did a joke about how weird it was that it was so common in old movies and TV shows.

  3. Where did the newspaper/keyhole puzzle originate?

    • In adventure game form? Zork, mainframe original. It feels like it might have shown up in some earlier forms, if anything can think of some.

      • Ah, cool. Do we know which of the Implementors came up with it?

      • The Zork II Invisiclues call it an “old trick”, suggesting that it was an established trope, but I don’t know of any examples off the top of my head. (Maybe noir or murder mysteries?)

      • I remember seeing Tom Baker doing the newspaper/key trick in an episode of Doctor Who back in the seventies. But even that probably wasn’t the first.

      • It goes back at least to Enid Blyton’s Famous Five series–I mention this in the commentary to my Cragne Manor room (which contains many of the ingredients for this puzzle, but the key isn’t in the lock). I forget where I read this, I can try to find it later.

      • OK, my source for this was the TV Tropes page for “Paper Key-Retrieval Trick,” which says “Most Enid Blyton series include this at least once, especially The Secret Seven and The Famous Five.” The one I can find it in is “The Mystery of the Secret Room” (1945) from The Five Find-Outers series, p. 28. The hero says “I read it in one of my spy books.”

    • I’m not sure there’s a definitive source for the newspaper-keyhole trick, but it turns up in books of brainteasers/logic puzzles as early as the ’60s, I think. The trick generally only works with warded mortise locks, which peaked in popularity during the 19th century – in the 18th century, they were “fancy” locks that wouldn’t typically be used on the sort of room where you’d imprison somebody. The cylinder-bored lock was invented in the 1920s and became the more common kind of household lock probably post-war. So I would assume the paper-key-retrieval trick originates in the victorian era, but I’m not sure if it started out as an action sequence in fiction, or if it was a logic puzzle first.

  4. > I think the “original” lady-with-toe-stuck-in-bath scene
    > came from The Dick Van Dyke show

    Excellent factoid! Thanks Ross!

    Matthew Diamond's avatar Matthew Diamond
    • I am not sure about the Dick Van Dyke Show being the bellwether for this old chestnut. The episode featuring this (Never Bathe on Saturday) was aired on March 31st 1965. The premise had been used by Oldham’s finest Eric Sykes in his eponymous sitcom in an episode first shown on BBC1 (Sykes and a Bath) which was broadcast on January 25th 1961.

  5. I’m so relieved the game made you remember to grab the waiter, too! I was afraid it would treat him as set-dressing.

  6. Okay, it’s a comic romp, but I’m not sure sound amplification in 1912 was developed in enough to “blast” from a bathroom and drown out shouting. And would any playback device have used electricity anyway? My guess is that she had an entire orchestra in the bathroom with her, and the cut wire put the lights out so they couldn’t see the conductor or sheet music.

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